Legislature(2013 - 2014)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/17/2014 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 379 OIL & GAS PROPERTY TAX TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 379(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 234 EXTEND REGULATORY COMMISSION OF ALASKA TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 234 Out of Committee
+= HB 308 ALASKA SECURITIES ACT EXEMPTIONS TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 308 Out of Committee
+= HB 361 LICENSING OF BEHAVIOR ANALYSTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 361 Out of Committee
+= HB 160 LICENSING OF ATHLETIC TRAINERS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ HB 328 BOARD/LICENSING OF MASSAGE THERAPISTS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+= HB 121 COMMERCIAL FISHING & AGRICULTURE BANK TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 204 SALMON & HERRING PRODUCT DEV'T TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ HB 143 COMMERCIAL FISHING CREWMEMBER LICENSES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ HB 282 LANDLORD AND TENANT ACT TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+= HB 193 MUNICIPAL TAXATION OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+= HB 231 CATTLE BRAND REGISTRATION TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+= HB 305 JUNK DEALER & METAL SCRAPPER LICENSING TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+= HB 19 PERM. MOT. VEH. REGISTRATION/TRAILERS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 17, 2014                                                                                            
                         9:15 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:15:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  called the Senate Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 9:15 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Benjamin Nageak;  Representative Mike Hawker;                                                                    
Robert   Ervine,  Staff,   Representative  Lindsey   Holmes;                                                                    
Representative   Dan  Saddler;   Michael  Paschall,   Staff,                                                                    
Representative Eric Feige.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Steve  Vansant,  State   Assessor,  Anchorage;  Rob  Elkins,                                                                    
Deputy  Director, Administration  and  Finance, North  Slope                                                                    
Borough,  Anchorage; Matt  Fonder,  Director, Tax  Division,                                                                    
Department of Revenue,  Anchorage; Margaret Brody, Director,                                                                    
Health  Care  Services,  Department  of  Health  and  Social                                                                    
Services, Anchorage.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 19(RLS)(efd am)                                                                                                            
          PERM. MOT. VEH. REGISTRATION/TRAILERS                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 19(RLS)(efd am) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 121(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          COMMERCIAL FISHING & AGRICULTURE BANK                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 121(FIN) was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                     
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 143(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          COMMERCIAL FISHING CREWMEMBER LICENSES                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 143(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 160(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          LICENSING OF ATHLETIC TRAINERS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 160(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 193(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          MUNICIPAL TAXATION OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 193(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CSSSHB 204(FIN)                                                                                                                 
          SALMON & HERRING PRODUCT DEV'T TAX CREDIT                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          CSSSHB 204(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB 231    CATTLE BRAND REGISTRATION                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          HB 231 was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HB 234    EXTEND REGULATORY COMMISSION OF ALASKA                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB 234 was REPORTED out of committee with a "do                                                                       
          pass"    recommendation   and    with   previously                                                                    
          published fiscal impact note: FN1(CED).                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 282(JUD)                                                                                                                   
          LANDLORD AND TENANT ACT                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 282(JUD) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 305(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          JUNK DEALER & METAL SCRAPPER LICENSING                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 305(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HB 308    ALASKA SECURITIES ACT EXEMPTIONS                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          HB 308  was REPORTED out  of committee with  a "do                                                                    
          pass"    recommendation   and    with   previously                                                                    
          published fiscal impact note: FN1(CED).                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 328(L&C)                                                                                                                   
          BOARD/LICENSING OF MASSAGE THERAPISTS                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 328(L&C) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HB 361    LICENSING OF BEHAVIOR ANALYSTS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          HB 361  was REPORTED out  of committee with  a "do                                                                    
          pass"    recommendation   and    with   previously                                                                    
          published  indeterminate  fiscal  note:  FN1(DHS);                                                                    
          and  previously  published   fiscal  impact  note:                                                                    
          FN2(CED).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 379(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          OIL & GAS PROPERTY TAX                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 379(FIN) as REPORTED out  of committee with a                                                                    
          "do  pass"  recommendation   and  with  previously                                                                    
          published indeterminate fiscal note: FN2(REV).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 379(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the limitation on the value of                                                                         
     property taxable by a municipality; and providing for                                                                      
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:16:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BENJAMIN    NAGEAK,   SPONSOR,   introduced                                                                    
himself.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  asked  if  Representative  Nageak  had  any                                                                    
additional  comments.  Representative   Nageak  thanked  the                                                                    
committee for  considering the  legislation. He  stated that                                                                    
the legislation had been in the works for forty years.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough wondered if the bill would affect the                                                                     
assessment of property value for the state.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
STEVE    VANSANT,    STATE    ASSESSOR,    ANCHORAGE    (via                                                                    
teleconference), responded that  the legislation changed the                                                                    
way the limitation  was calculated for oil  and gas property                                                                    
based on  the initial mil-rate  that was calculated  for two                                                                    
municipalities:  the North  Slope  Borough and  the City  of                                                                    
Valdez.  He stated  that there  were some  calculations that                                                                    
moved the percentage around 300  percent and 375 percent for                                                                    
the  North Slope  Borough. The  legislation would  allow the                                                                    
borough to  have more funds  in their operating  revenue, as                                                                    
opposed  to their  bond  debt, so  they  could maintain  the                                                                    
facilities that  had been bonded over  the years. Currently,                                                                    
there  was  no limitation  on  bonding,  so if  the  borough                                                                    
needed  more money  for certain  items they  could bond  and                                                                    
take  as  much  revenue  as  was  needed.  The  borough  had                                                                    
consistently  been  at  18.5  mil  rate,  so  there  was  no                                                                    
anticipation for  a change. He  also stated that  the Valdez                                                                    
mil-rate was  20 percent,  which was very  high for  the tax                                                                    
payer.  He  shared that  the  conversations  with the  North                                                                    
Slope  Borough showed  that the  bond debt  reduce, and  the                                                                    
revenue  would  be put  in  the  operating revenue,  so  the                                                                    
maintenance program could function  as desired. He felt that                                                                    
the bill would  not cost the state money, but  it could cost                                                                    
the state money.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  queried  the  instance  on  how  the                                                                    
legislation  might   cost  the  state  money.   Mr.  Vansant                                                                    
responded  that the  North Slope  could charge  a 21.3  mil-                                                                    
rate, and generate an extra  $58 million. This would require                                                                    
payment  from everyone  in the  borough,  including the  oil                                                                    
companies  and the  local tax  payer. He  stressed that  the                                                                    
borough intended to  lower their bonded debt,  so they would                                                                    
not  need  to  raise  more  than an  18.5  mil-rate  in  the                                                                    
operating revenue in order to  generate more revenue for the                                                                    
maintenance program.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  queried the effect of  the state. Mr.                                                                    
Vansant replied that the borough  could raise their mil-rate                                                                    
to 21.3  it would cost the  state the extra revenue.  If the                                                                    
borough  did not  lower the  bonded debt,  they could  still                                                                    
raise $58 million,  which would cost the  state $58 million.                                                                    
He stressed  that the borough  intended to lower  their mil-                                                                    
rate by paying  off some of the bond debt,  so keeping their                                                                    
mil-rate  at 18.5  would give  them more  operating revenues                                                                    
and not need the bonded revenues.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:22:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  wondered  why  the  state  paid  the                                                                    
property  taxes  dollar  for  dollar  to  the  borough.  Mr.                                                                    
Vansant responded that the state  collected a mil-rate of 20                                                                    
on all  of the oil and  gas property in the  state. Of that,                                                                    
the  state gave  back  to the  local  municipalities at  the                                                                    
locally charged mil-rate.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  surmised that  there was  a statewide                                                                    
mil-rate, and  if a local  community taxed, the  state would                                                                    
forgo  revenue  at  the  state level  and  allow  the  local                                                                    
community control  of the  funds.   Mr. Vansant  agreed with                                                                    
that summation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson pointed  out that  the  borough could  reduce                                                                    
their  mil-rate,  which  would  bring more  revenue  to  the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  asked  for an  explanation  of  the  bonded                                                                    
indebtedness  versus   the  operating  costs.   Mr.  Vansant                                                                    
explained  that  currently,  municipalities had  a  mil-rate                                                                    
limit of 30 for operating  revenues. There was no limitation                                                                    
of what  a municipality  may charge to  repay bond  debt. He                                                                    
stated  that   there  were   two  sets   of  funds   that  a                                                                    
municipality could  accumulate: revenue  and bond  debt. The                                                                    
tax  limitation would  change the  current statute  from 225                                                                    
percent to  a variation  of 225, 300,  or 375  percent. That                                                                    
would   change  the   total  amount   of   dollars  that   a                                                                    
municipality may collect under  operating revenues. The bond                                                                    
debt still had  no limitation, so a  municipality could bond                                                                    
as long as there was a vote  to pay for the bonds. He stated                                                                    
that  the   bill  would  change  the   calculation,  so  the                                                                    
municipality   could  collect   more  operating   funds.  He                                                                    
remarked that the  borough wanted to lower  their bond debt,                                                                    
but was facing a limitation  on the operating revenue, which                                                                    
inhibited maintenance.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:27:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop wondered  if the  legislation only  affected                                                                    
two boroughs.  Mr. Vansant replied  in the  affirmative. The                                                                    
only two  boroughs that were  reaching the limit:  the North                                                                    
Slope Borough and the City of Valdez.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer queried the number  of boroughs that would be                                                                    
impacted by the legislation.  Mr. Vansant replied that there                                                                    
were  only two  municipalities  that would  be impacted.  He                                                                    
said that there was  potential for Valdez, Kenai, Anchorage,                                                                    
and Mat-Su to get more oil and gas properties.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer remarked  that there  was oil  production in                                                                    
the  Cook  Inlet, but  wondered  if  it  was not  enough  to                                                                    
matter.  Mr. Vansant  replied that  the  production did  not                                                                    
bring enough dollars to be impacted by the formula.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Olson  queried   Mr.   Elkins   position  on   the                                                                    
legislation, how  he planned to  lower the debt  service and                                                                    
its obligations in  order to keep the taxes  at a manageable                                                                    
level.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ROB  ELKINS, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATION AND  FINANCE,                                                                    
NORTH   SLOPE  BOROUGH,   ANCHORAGE  (via   teleconference),                                                                    
replied that  under the adopted  budget for FY 15  there was                                                                    
$146  million available  for debt  service. The  borough had                                                                    
been  working  for  ten  years  to pay  down  its  debt.  He                                                                    
stressed that there were several  years when the borough had                                                                    
over $1 billion of debt. He  stressed that the effort to pay                                                                    
down the debt was done  with assumption that the legislation                                                                    
would  pass.  On   an  average  year,  there   would  be  an                                                                    
additional 14  to 16  percent owed on  top of  the principle                                                                    
payment. Therefore,  by bonding for light  duty vehicles and                                                                    
other  operating items,  it  costs an  additional  14 to  16                                                                    
percent  over  the  life  of   the  bond.  By  altering  the                                                                    
calculation,  the   North  Slope  Borough  could   move  the                                                                    
purchases  into the  operating budget  to save  tax dollars.                                                                    
He  felt  that  the  bill would  provide  the  borough  with                                                                    
flexibility,   and   the   borough  had   worked   hard   to                                                                    
systematically reduce its bond debt.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  pointed out  that  the  North Slope  Borough                                                                    
would lower its debt service in  order to keep the tax at an                                                                    
affordable rate.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:32:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  wondered if there was  opposition from the                                                                    
sponsor's  district   to  the   legislation.  Representative                                                                    
Nageak replied  that he was  not aware of any  opposition to                                                                    
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman   wondered  if  the  City   of  Valdez  was                                                                    
supportive   of  the   legislation.  Representative   Nageak                                                                    
replied that he was not aware  of any opposition to the bill                                                                    
from anyone, including the state.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer wondered  if there was any  opposition to the                                                                    
bill from  the City of  Valdez. Senator Bishop  replied that                                                                    
he was not aware of any opposition to the legislation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  wondered if  there was  a cap  on the                                                                    
mil-rate   for  anyone   under  the   state's  jurisdiction.                                                                    
Representative  Nageak responded  that the  North Slope  was                                                                    
under  a cap  for the  previous 40  years. He  stressed that                                                                    
there  was   some  strain  when  there   was  a  substantial                                                                    
restriction.  He thought  that the  North Slope  Borough was                                                                    
the only municipality with a cap.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  remarked  that, in  her  experience,                                                                    
when there was a property  tax issue the tax payers demanded                                                                    
to  be   taxed  less.   She  noted   that  there   was  only                                                                    
representation  from the  community,  not the  tax payer  on                                                                    
this  legislation. She  asked  if  there was  a  cap in  the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  wondered  if there  were  exemptions                                                                    
from the  state in local communities  that established local                                                                    
exemptions. Mr.  Vansant wondered  if she  meant residential                                                                    
exemptions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough clarified that  she was concerned over                                                                    
the  question of  raising  a mil-rate.  She  noted that  the                                                                    
people would  be taxed, if  the mil-rate was  increased. She                                                                    
wondered  if local  communities established  exemptions that                                                                    
transferred responsibility  of the property tax  payments to                                                                    
another  entity. Mr.  Vansant replied  that Anchorage  had a                                                                    
$20,000 residential exemption,  and six municipalities offer                                                                    
exemptions some  up to  $100,000. He  stated that  the North                                                                    
Slope  Borough   offered  a  residential  exemption   up  to                                                                    
$50,000, and  offered a  residential optional  exemption for                                                                    
senior citizens up to and additional $150,000.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:39:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough wondered  if  Valdez offered  similar                                                                    
exemptions  for  their  property  tax  payers.  Mr.  Vansant                                                                    
responded that  Valdez only offered a  $20,000 exemption for                                                                    
residential property, and did  not offer any exemption above                                                                    
the state-mandated $150,000.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  wondered  if  the  state  had  state                                                                    
authority over Valdez for the  mil-rate setting. Mr. Vansant                                                                    
responded that  all municipalities  were required  to exempt                                                                    
certain  properties such  as  churches, schools,  charitable                                                                    
properties, etc., whether  it was the city of  Valdez or any                                                                    
other municipality.  The City of  Valdez had also  opted out                                                                    
of all personal property exemptions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  wondered if there  were contributions                                                                    
to  schools.  Mr. Vansant  replied  in  the affirmative.  He                                                                    
stated  that  the  North  Slope   Borough  was  required  to                                                                    
participate at a 45 percent need.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  understood  that a  community  might                                                                    
believe that there  was a disadvantage with  a mil-rate cap,                                                                    
and wondered if  there should be a consideration  for a cap.                                                                    
Mr. Vansant  responded that  the bill had  a cap,  and would                                                                    
only raise  it from  the 225  percent formula  cap to  a 300                                                                    
percent formula  cap. He stated  that there was a  cap under                                                                    
AS 29.45.090 to  all municipalities of a  30 mil-rate, which                                                                    
was 3 percent for operating revenues.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  wondered  if the  reference  was  in                                                                    
Section  6 regarding  "not more  than 19  mil." Mr.  Vansant                                                                    
replied that the percentage was  outlined, and were set caps                                                                    
for  assessments, which  would  set caps  for the  collected                                                                    
revenues.  The  other cap  was  for  a  30 mil  rate,  which                                                                    
applied to all municipalities.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman announced  that the bill did  not change the                                                                    
taxable mil  rates, but rather  asked for  flexibility about                                                                    
how the municipality  was limited to move  money between the                                                                    
operating and capital budgets.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:46:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson stressed  that this  legislation was  the top                                                                    
priority for the North Slope Borough.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  wondered  if the  mil-rate  cap  was                                                                    
voted on  by the people. Representative  Nageak replied that                                                                    
there was an ordinance that was passed each year.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough   stressed  that   she  was   not  in                                                                    
opposition  to the  bill, but  was attempting  to understand                                                                    
the consequences to the state.  She announced that the state                                                                    
could receive extra money or could lose up to $30 million.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MATT FONDER, DIRECTOR, TAX  DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), replied  that the bill could                                                                    
cause either  increased or decreased  revenue to  the state,                                                                    
because it depended on the  municipalities' responses to the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:50:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  wondered  how  the  North  Slope  Borough's                                                                    
response to the  bill would impact the  state's revenue. Mr.                                                                    
Fonder  replied  that, if  the  borough  reduced their  debt                                                                    
service  payments  and kept  their  mil-rate  to the  state,                                                                    
there would  be no impact  to the state's revenue.  If their                                                                    
debt service remained  the same, and they  needed more funds                                                                    
for operating costs, they would  need to increase their mil-                                                                    
rate.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer asked if DOR had  a position on the bill. Mr.                                                                    
Fonder  replied that  DOR did  not  have a  position on  the                                                                    
legislation, but was available for questions.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman surmised  that  the  legislation would  not                                                                    
impact the current work of  the North Slope Borough; it only                                                                    
gave  the  borough  flexibility to  meet  their  operational                                                                    
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Meyer  felt   that   the   discussion  was   more                                                                    
complicated than necessary.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  stressed  that there  was  no  incentive  to                                                                    
increasing the amount.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough stated  that it  was impressive  that                                                                    
the  North  Slope  had  decreased $1  billion  of  debt  and                                                                    
reduced it to $300 million.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  felt that the  bill would allow  the borough                                                                    
to pay down the debt even faster.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  MOVED to REPORT CSHB  379(FIN) out of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB  379(FIN) was  REPORTED  out of  committee  with a  "do                                                                    
pass"   recommendation   and   with   previously   published                                                                    
indeterminate fiscal note: FN2(REV).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:54:25 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:56:50 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 234                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act extending the termination date of the                                                                              
     Regulatory Commission of Alaska; and providing for an                                                                      
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:57:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE HAWKER, introduced himself.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Meyer  noted   that  Representative   Hawker  had                                                                    
presented  the  legislation   on  April  14.  Representative                                                                    
Hawker  agreed,  and noted  that  there  was a  request  for                                                                    
documentation of  one item  in the Regulatory  Commission of                                                                    
Alaska's financial statements (copy on file).                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:58:25 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:01:42 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:03:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  wondered if  Senator Hoffman  was satisfied.                                                                    
Senator Hoffman replied in the affirmative.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  MOVED  to   REPORT  HB  234  out  of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  234 was  REPORTED  out  of committee  with  a "do  pass"                                                                    
recommendation and  with previously published  fiscal impact                                                                    
note: FN1(CED).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 308                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the exemptions under the Alaska                                                                        
     Securities Act and to securities issued by Native                                                                          
    corporations; and providing for an effective date."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:04:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT   ERVINE,  STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE  LINDSEY   HOLMES,                                                                    
introduced himself.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  MOVED  to   REPORT  HB  308  out  of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  308 was  REPORTED  out  of committee  with  a "do  pass"                                                                    
recommendation and  with previously published  fiscal impact                                                                    
note: FN1(CED).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:05:13 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:09:03 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 361                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to licensing of behavior analysts."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:09:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAN  SADDLER, SPONSOR,  introduced  himself,                                                                    
and was willing to respond to questions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  stated that there were  also some testifiers                                                                    
available for to respond to questions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  would like  a revised fiscal  note on                                                                    
the  indeterminate costs  regarding  the next  phase of  the                                                                    
legislation. She felt that the  ramifications to the state's                                                                    
budget should  be evaluated in pursuing  additional care for                                                                    
the people of Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MARGARET BRODY,  DIRECTOR, HEALTH CARE  SERVICES, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF    HEALTH   AND    SOCIAL   SERVICES,    ANCHORAGE   (via                                                                    
teleconference),   announced  that   the  service   was  not                                                                    
currently covered  under Medicaid  rules, which was  why the                                                                    
fiscal note was indeterminate.  There would be 1838 children                                                                    
who had a  diagnosis of Autism that  were currently enrolled                                                                    
in Medicaid. There would need  to be individual assessments,                                                                    
at $175 per  evaluation. That cost would be  covered, if the                                                                    
service became covered under Medicaid.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  stressed that the next  step would be                                                                    
legislation  that would  allow Medicaid  to cover  the cost.                                                                    
She stressed  that there should  be an acknowledgement  of a                                                                    
cost of  approximately $26 million  with 50  percent covered                                                                    
by the federal government. She  felt that the cost was high,                                                                    
but necessary to  meet the needs of  the diagnosed children.                                                                    
She felt that  the numbers delivered by  the department were                                                                    
too low.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer queried  the cost  of  obtaining a  license.                                                                    
Representative  Saddler responded  that  the  cost would  be                                                                    
approximately  $1300 per  person for  the initial  biennium,                                                                    
and would decrease to $450 for subsequent bienniums.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:15:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  surmised that  it would  be a  $1300 initial                                                                    
license, and  a $400  for a renewal.  Representative Saddler                                                                    
agreed, and stated that the  initial cost would be a portion                                                                    
to the BCBA.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Saddler  noted a  there was  information that                                                                    
indicated  that  with  three years  of  an  early  intensive                                                                    
behavioral  intervention, there  were  upfront costs.  After                                                                    
three years,  approximately half of the  children accomplish                                                                    
near normal  functioning. He stated that  approximately one-                                                                    
third of the children had  substantial gains, and 15 percent                                                                    
saw  no benefits.  The implications  indicated some  upfront                                                                    
higher costs,  but the early  intervention avoided  the need                                                                    
for additional special education services.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  MOVED  to   REPORT  HB  361  out  of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal notes. There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  361 was  REPORTED  out  of committee  with  a "do  pass"                                                                    
recommendation and  with previously  published indeterminate                                                                    
fiscal  note:  FN1(DHS);  and  previously  published  fiscal                                                                    
impact note: FN2(CED).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:17:20 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:23:40 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 121(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act relating  to the  examinations, board,  loans,                                                                    
     and  records  of  the  Alaska  Commercial  Fishing  and                                                                    
     Agriculture  Bank;  and   providing  for  an  effective                                                                    
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:24:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   PASCHALL,   STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE   ERIC   FEIGE,                                                                    
introduced  himself,  and  stated  that he  was  willing  to                                                                    
respond to questions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer queried  the relationship  of the  bank with                                                                    
the  state. Mr.  Paschall responded  that the  establishment                                                                    
was formed to help the  fishing and agriculture industry. It                                                                    
was given a privileged tool  to use limited entry permits as                                                                    
collateral.  Therefore, there  was a  specific statute  that                                                                    
granted the  authority, even though  they were created  as a                                                                    
private bank. The only relationship  they had with the state                                                                    
was  as an  agent  of  the state  with  the  ability to  use                                                                    
limited entry permits as  collateral. The governor appointed                                                                    
two board  members from  within the members  of the  bank to                                                                    
assure the interest was followed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer wondered if two  board members were appointed                                                                    
by the governor. Mr. Paschall responded in the affirmative.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  queried the total  number of  board members.                                                                    
Mr. Paschall replied that the  board member numbers could be                                                                    
changed by the corporation. He  assumed there were between 5                                                                    
and 9 members of the board.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  stressed  that   two  board  members  were                                                                    
appointed by the governor. Mr. Paschall agreed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson queried the reasoning  of the incorporation of                                                                    
the  recent amendment  related  to  lobbyists. Mr.  Paschall                                                                    
replied that  the bank had  requested the ability to  hire a                                                                    
lobbyist. The  state had an  ownership interest in  the bank                                                                    
when it was initially created, so  the bank could not have a                                                                    
lobbyist at that time. The  state no longer had an ownership                                                                    
interest in  the bank, so  the bank was facing  a logistical                                                                    
issue  of  maintaining   involvement  with  the  legislative                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  surmised that the  bank had a  very specific                                                                    
interest,  because  they  were statutory  obligated  to  the                                                                    
state.  He  felt  that  they  still  had  a  strong  tie  to                                                                    
government, so there was question  as to the appropriateness                                                                    
to have a  lobbyist to influence law making.  He wondered if                                                                    
the  amendment was  made  in the  other  body. Mr.  Paschall                                                                    
replied that the amendment was made in the other body.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:29:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  wondered  if  the  bank  had  a  government                                                                    
affairs  employee. Mr.  Paschall  replied  in the  negative,                                                                    
because they only had ten employees.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked if the  bank was reviewed  every three                                                                    
years.  Mr.  Paschall  responded   that  the  bank  was  not                                                                    
currently  reviewed by  the Banking  Commission, because  it                                                                    
was  excluded from  all  banking laws  that  apply to  other                                                                    
banks.  The  statutes  regulating  the bank  were  the  only                                                                    
regulating statutes  for the bank,  which was why  they were                                                                    
asking to  be reviewed.  It helped  their ability  to obtain                                                                    
credit from other lenders.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy remarked  that the  bank may  be the  only                                                                    
outfit that did not employ a lobbyist.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  was not  concerned with  whether or  not the                                                                    
bank had a lobbyist.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough queried  the definition of "resident."                                                                    
Mr. Paschall  replied that the  resident status  referred to                                                                    
the general statute, which was  a resident for one year with                                                                    
the intention of staying in the state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 121(FIN)  was HEARD and  HELD in committee  for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 160(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act relating  to the  licensing and  regulation of                                                                    
     athletic trainers."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 160(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 328(L&C)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  establishing the Board of  Massage Therapists;                                                                    
     relating to  the licensing  of massage  therapists; and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 328(L&C) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 204(FIN)                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to a  product development  tax credit                                                                    
     for certain salmon and  herring products; and providing                                                                    
     for an effective date."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CSSSHB 204(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 143(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to  crewmember fishing  licenses; and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 143(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 282(JUD)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating to  the  rights  and obligations  of                                                                    
     residential landlords and tenants;  and relating to the                                                                    
     taking  of  a  permanent  fund dividend  for  rent  and                                                                    
     damages owed to a residential landlord."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 282(JUD) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 193(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating  to   the  joint  administration  of                                                                    
     tobacco taxes by the state and a municipality."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 193(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 231                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  eliminating the  Department of  Revenue's duty                                                                    
     to register cattle brands."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 231 was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 305(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act relating  to the  records of  metal scrappers;                                                                    
     repealing the  requirement that a junk  dealer or metal                                                                    
     scrapper  obtain  a  license;   and  providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 305(FIN) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 19(RLS)(efd am)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     "An   Act   relating   to   permanent   motor   vehicle                                                                    
     registration  in  the  unorganized  borough  and  in  a                                                                    
     municipality  that  has   elected  to  allow  permanent                                                                    
     registration;  relating  to  the registration  fee  for                                                                    
     noncommercial  trailers and  to the  motor vehicle  tax                                                                    
    for trailers; and providing for an effective date."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 19(RLS)(efd am) was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:33:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:33 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 160 Legal Opinion.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 160
Email Repsonse from Div. Corp,Busi, & Prof Licensing.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 160
HB160 Amendment - Adams.msg SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 160
HB328 Explanation of Changes.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 House Bill 328 BoardLicensing of Massage Therapists - Zepp.msg SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Legal Opinion on Legislative Confirmation.PDF SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Letter of supporttestimony for HB328 - Gilmour.msg SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Sectional CSHB 328 version C.PDF SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Sponsor Statement.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-AMTA Fact Sheet 2014.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Email Cheri Zepp 3-7-14.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Email Patty Collins 3-18-14.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Letter Chris Studebaker.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Letter Community Members 1 letter-56 signatur....pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Letter Community Members 3-28-14.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Letter James Heston 2-27-2014.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Letter Jean Robinson 2-7-2014.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Letter Matt Schnellbaecher 2-12-2014.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Letter Mindy Jurik 2-19-2014.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328 Supporting Documents-Map of Regulated States.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB328_Fiscal_Note_Testimony_dance_4 14 14.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 328
HB 204 SCS for CS for SSHB204 work draft version Y.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 204
HB204 - Ocean Beauty Letter.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 204
HB 143 - Supporting Document - ADF&G - 2013.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 143
HB 143 Changes between HB 143 and CS HB 143 (FSH).pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 143
HB 143 Changes between House Fisheries and Current House Finance version.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 143
HB 143 Sponsor Statement.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 143
HB 143 Supporting Document - Article Juneau Empire - June 2011.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 143
HB 143 Supporting Document - DOL&WD - 2012.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 143
CSHB 282 - Sectional Analysis (ver. Y).pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB 282 - Letter of Support - Abegg.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB 282 - Letter of Support - Alaska Assoc. of Realtors.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB 282 - Letter of Support - Hahn.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB 282 - Sectional Analysis (L&C to JUD).pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB 282 - Sponsor Statement.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 282
HB19 Please Move HB 19 to a vote - Dubuisson.msg SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 19
HB 160 please read in to the record - Keller.msg SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 160
HB234 LB&A Response to Questions 041414.pdf SFIN 4/17/2014 9:00:00 AM
HB 234